Interview with Brenda Miller Part 1

The following is an interview I conducted with Brenda Miller around the beginning of February 2010. 

Christine.  Hi there how are you doing? 

Brenda.  Good.

Christine.  In  BodyTalk  we  talk about innate, and basically then, just to get details more specific: the innate is of a clear mind. And there’s are different doors to we can go through to get to ‘clear’, to get to the ‘rabbit hole’ , right?

Brenda.  Yes.

Christine.  So for instance one can do cortices to help ones brain balance that way.

Brenda.  Yes.

Christine.  And then we can also balance in other ways…  For instance through, BreakThrough.   Would you describe BreakThrough as a mind system?

Brenda.  Well I would call it a mind body spirit system because everything is a projection of mind and so the body’s a projection of mind so the world is a projection of mind. So I would call it yeah- body mind soul.

Christine.  And for instance I had the thought a couple days ago that BreakThrough will help anyone who tries it, doing better at whatever they do, because it informs their ability to be.

Brenda.  Yes, I think:  isn’t that our true goal, to live this life feeling how we would love to feel? Because really life is all about how we feel and so BreakThrough helps us, I guess it helps us in that way. Because from your true nature really, all you can feel is joyful, spontaneous, calm, compassionate, very real. You can feel very authentic, passionate about what you’re doing. You know it just comes through you then.

Christine.  It’s interesting because it makes me really think. I remember when I started to connect ‘my’ physical health value to BreakThrough whereby I could start to see and experience a lack of stress in self and that lack of stress translates into a lower heart rate, into a better digestion, into more fulfilling interactions with others and self.  There is a ‘trickle down’ effect from the effort you put into BreakThrough.   The releasing you experience is not just in the mind but in the body.  The result of BreakThrough steps is that your body gets off the hook too. The body has been responding to the stress generated around our efforts to protect a wound- a wound we were unaware of before starting a BreakThrough

Brenda.  Yes, I should be interviewing you. I think you answered that beautifully and because the body is a projection of mind, if the mind becomes clear just like a pond the body becomes clear. It’s:  “you can’t clean up the toxic pond one corner at a time.”

Christine.  And the thing too is I’ve done it, I am attached and enmeshed with my reactions, I want to defend them and sometimes I don’t actually believe that there is a ‘natural’ state that’s ours, A peaceful place where we belong.

Brenda.  That’s so true, we defend the story that causes us stress.

Christine.  And the mind likes to argue that this natural state just doesn’t even exist.

Brenda.  And that’s why probably that the mind also engages in these struggles and traumas and dramas to the extent that at some point every person does reach their own bottom and some people they will reach out for the rope that Break Through is and pull themselves out.

Christine.  And it’s interesting too because to me there’s an equation between the mind that resists the natural state of peace integration, which is a comfortable experience of self. The mind is like an addict in that it says it needs to constantly give itself adrenaline rushes by getting into conflict outside of itself and inside of itself, to create biochemical reactions in the body.

Brenda.  That is our greatest addiction, the addiction to the mind.

Christine.  Right?

Brenda.  We actually believe our thoughts.

Christine.  There’s an interesting article I read in Seed Magazine entitled: “A New State of Mind § SEEDMAGAZINE.COM  written by Jonah Lehrer.

After reading it I realize: “oh it’s concepts, it’s concepts. We’re addicted to concepts.” And I love how science is documenting phenomena which apply directly to ‘Consciousness Studies’.

Brenda.  And we’re addicted to coping.  And coping is not a mark of strength it’s a mark of weakness because it’s doing the opposite to what our birthright is which is really engaging in life, living it and loving it. Coping is saying there’s something wrong and I don’t know what to do about it.

Christine.  Do you see a relation between the article I’m talking about and our experience of the Bodymind though?

Brenda.  I do but I still come back to the idea that deeper than that is that it’s a concept that we believe, and our beliefs will find proof for themselves wherever they can.


Christine Corlett